we're not oppose to further reduction in rate of increase of spending and defense. but we need to do it more with the scalpel opposed to a meat ax, which is what the sequestration does. it's mindless approach that defense secretary panetta said. we agree with that. >> neil: agree to that mindless approach. john boehner agreed to the approach. we have might not have been wise but everyone agreed to it. >> guest: not everybody. it didn't. nor did jim jordan. we thought it was a stupid deal. it was. playing out to be that way. so no, we need to consolidate the gains of savings, the fact is it's not just doing a deal, about actually putting true fiscal constraints. listening to the other guests there, they're right. the problem is the size of government right now is 24% on trajectory -- >> we're talking about the slowing growth. senator, thank you very much. all right. senator, guys, i know you at home it appears i'm short-tempered with the issue. i did have breakfast. it's not a food thing or sugar thing. i'm telling you, you should be worried about this.